Who is your London Brass Christmas hat winner? Starring: Andy Crowley, Gareth Small, Dan Newell, Richard Bissill, Oren Marshall, Lindsay Schilling, Dave Stewart December 2020
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everybody. Welcome back to the Horn Hangout. I know you had to wait a little bit longer than we thought you might, but it’s definitely worth it because I would like to welcome the members of the London Brass. And we’ve all made ourselves very festive for you. Ho ho ho everybody. So yes, we’ve got um who have we got here? Richard Bissell in a nice Santa hat. We’ve got a Yoda, I mean Oren Marshall. What’s that, Oren? I’m getting a bit worried. Oh. Okay. Oh well, goodness me.
All right. Amen. Gareth Small, hello Gareth. Hi Sarah. Lindsey Rudolph. Hello. Good to see you. Dave Stewart, you still look like a Christmas card, Dave. I’ll I’ll keep moving. Dan Youell, nice hat, Dan. Did it sing? Does it sing? You got You got the You got the notice about the green hat then as well, Sarah. Yeah yeah, I did. I’m glad you got the memo. Do mine’s too tall for the I know it’s too tall for the camera, but never mind. And Andy Crowley, welcome. And who have you got there, Andy?
I guess that might be Santa. It’s a little Santa. You can’t wear it. Hello trumpet. Aw. Of course. It doesn’t get any sillier than this, Andy. Yeah. Dear Horn Hangout friends, what are you wearing? I mean, yeah, I we assume you’re wearing something, but what Christmasy I said to you you had to come Christmasy. So we want to know what you are wearing and I hope you’ll do some screenshots and selfies for us and post them so we can see how you’re watching the Hangout. Keep it clean.
Welcome to all of you watching literally all around the world. And how many of you saw the London Brass concert about an hour ago? It went out live on I think I’ll take my hat off now. It’s a bit hot. Oh, isn’t that clever? Another hat. He’s wearing another hat. I know. Gareth, you’re a Christmas I’ve only just seen it’s a Christmas pudding. Yeah. That that was that was a bit too much though, I think. Okay, could you explain that, please? No, you have to explain that hat to everyone watching because only the Brits know what that is.
That’s a Christmas turkey. With? Brussels sprouts. It reminds me of Mr. Bean. Yeah. That great moment. Um So, we’ve got a lot of praise coming in for for your concert happening. They said it was uh Matthew said he saw heard you last time in September in Krakow 19 2017. Um Jim Beck, do you know Jim Beck? You remember Jim Beck? He was my NYO coach from Welsh National Opera. And he said, “Thank you, boys. Beautiful playing and a wonderful boost to the spirit.” Hi, Jim. Love you that you’re watching.
Um so And you’re the best brass group in the world, here says everyone. So, there we go. Uh we agree. We’re also What? Sorry. Shouting? It’s a bit rowdy here tonight. We’re also live on Facebook. Welcome to you on Facebook. Um write in and let us know where you’re watching from because we’ll all be able to see that afterwards. If you’ve got any juicy questions for London Brass, do go over to the website because um I’ve got all your questions here and it’s a little bit complicated looking at um five different places, but we will get to we will have a look at them afterwards Um but if you got any questions from now for now then write them into the chat here on the website on the live page.
So I hate to tell you this but I haven’t seen the concert yet cuz we had a concert ourselves tonight. So I’m sure it was amazing. Andy could you just explain what exactly it was because it’s not it’s part of what’s what’s just being released right? Yes we just well in in November we we went to St. Jude’s on the hill in Hampstead and spent two days in a freezing church making re-recording actually making a brand new recording of a Christmas album that we’ve been wanting to update for a very long time.
So there are some there are some tracks on there from the one that was made 20 25 years ago but basically a brand new record. And we just thought it was a great opportunity to with all the concerts being cancelled in December to to get some music out to our to our audiences and we are very lucky to get a donation from and a very kind anonymous fan. Is is she so anonymous are we not allowed to say thank you Richard? That’s that’s Richard’s call. I know who it is.
Well we know who it is but I don’t know if Richard wants us to name her. Okay well if she’s watching she’s amazing and we love her. She’s so important for our brass world and so thank you very much for that. If any one any of you can put the link to the concert in the chat here then all of all of you haven’t seen it you can pop over there and watch it after the horn hangouts finished. It’s on YouTube and I’m sure we’ll have the link in the chat.
You guys don’t haven’t met the horn hangout fans yet they are amazing they are global they talk amongst each other. Um they tell jokes. Someone was starting with viola jokes, but uh yeah, that that that soon stopped. Um we have violas that watch the horn hangouts all the time as well. Um people are are saying they can’t quite concentrate because Gareth’s uh brussels sprouts are so impressive. I’ve never heard them called that before, Gareth. Yeah. How do they know? And um it reminds me of Mr.
Bean, yeah. So, Claire enjoyed the concert. Uh Karen said she’s wearing reindeer antlers with mistletoe, so people must kiss her. Great. Um Stephen Richards watched your concert from Ottawa, Canada Canada, and is looking forward to the Christmas album. Matthew just posted the link to the concert. Thank you, Matthew. You are great. Um so, when can we get the album? Well, at the moment there there are three downloads, and that’s taken from the the the concert tonight with a video, which we recorded specially for. Um the actual CD will be put into production as soon as the other tracks are mastered.
Because this is done so late, this was a it happened so suddenly that um you know, the the engineer, he’s got a pretty busy schedule, so he’s got to try and get the the tracks mastered. As soon as we’ve got those, then we can we can get the CDs pressed and put more downloads out, which we we will update the website regularly. You say we, Andy. Do any of the boys do any of that with you? On this occasion, I’ve had some help, actually. Yeah, if if yeah.
I mean, I did the film, which like was fairly stressful. I was just trying to trying to sort of on on the video match match ups syncing the video to the audio yesterday about 9:00 at night. So, that was I hadn’t even done the the video the video until early this morning. But no, I’ve had some help and and it’s been great. Esther who helps admin the group, she’s brilliant. Hello Esther, we know you’re watching. Uh well done Esther. Yeah, well done. Yeah, she was always on the case um and prompting me to to do you know, various tasks and whatever.
So um yeah, she’s very essential to to to keeping keeping everything running smoothly. Dave, yeah. Dave, is that um tea in your cup or is that Ribena like mine? Oh, mine’s tea. That’s really boring. What’s going on Dave? Oh, what’s that? I’ve changed. You’ve changed. That’s that. Is that because you’re not on tour? Exactly, yeah. Are you miss Are you You should be here in Germany right now, shouldn’t you? We should be drowning in mulled wine by now. I know. We mulled wine has just been banned from the streets because we have we have lockdown here um in Germany, but everyone was just still hanging out on the street and drinking mulled wine.
And if you drink mulled wine, it doesn’t matter where you drink it, you know, whether you’re sitting down or standing up cuz you soon fall down. Well, Yeah, we miss that. Yeah. We miss that the the Christmas markets and the and the glue vine and hot chocolate with rum in it. Yeah, oh yeah. Ooh, that’s a good one. And that’s mulled salted. Lots of venison stews and things like that. All that fantastic German beer. Oh, lovely. I know our audience is there. Our audience is there.
Fantastic. Our audience is for sure. Very friendly, very hospitable, very warm. Orin, you look hilarious. I am listening to what you say, but I’m very uh You’re occupied about what you look like. Take me more seriously if I take this off, is that No. No. No. Orin, you need to get Actually, I you know, I could Yeah. You’re right. You’ve got to say the sentences backwards though if you wear those. Seriously, what would it take me? Sorry. Right. So, um if any of you have any questions for the group, otherwise I’m just going to start in with my questions.
Maybe you guys have questions for each other. How often do you actually meet? Do you meet on Zoom? We’ve had a question how often do you rehearse? Um but right now probably not a lot. Is that right, Richard? How’s that going? Uh normally we rehearse when we have a project um at all or a concert or or recording, we’ll just rehearse prior to that. Um just to get all the pieces back up to up to speed. Um uh and it’s we we know the repertoire very well now and so we can just sort of uh just just uh um get to know it again very very quickly and um normally we we we cram our rehearsals into very short tight um um scheduled slots.
And um so we have to be very efficient with our rehearsals. Um so uh hello. Hello. Can every Biscuit. Who’s Who’s this? Biscuit. Does he like Brussels sprouts? He likes anything, bless him. He’s That’s so sweet. Oh, I think it’s a screenshot. Oh. He does like Brussels sprout. THAT’S YEAH. HE DOESN’T like the after effects though. Jeff rebels. Oh, hello. We like We like um yeah, he probably is a bit disappointed that that’s a hat and not a real turkey on your head. I I I’m sure you’re all thinking of Mr.
Bean. Sorry, Richard, you were saying No, I was saying that we cuz we all do other things as well. Um not with them. Can’t London Brass isn’t a full-time gig. We we we do it and we meet up for special projects throughout the year. So, we will will rehearse when something’s in the diary. We’ll find some dates and and slot the rehearsals in. But it’s true, we meet up anyway in studios. We we often end up playing in different things together anyway. Yeah, we all meet up when we’re not doing our individual outfits.
We often come across each other in London. It’s a very small village atmosphere in London really and you’re bumping into people all the time. So, um Yeah, we we we we don’t uh It’s not like we don’t see each other for months to months. We we’ll see each other occasionally. Richard Matthew Heislip in America has written in the chat that all horn players should know about your fantastic YouTube channel McCorney Man. Oh, good. Oh, Matthew, hey. Nice to uh Definitely. And he’s put in the link in the chat as well.
I tell you they are These guys are just great. Um Yeah, I’ve had a bit of correspondence with Matthew over the years and he sounds I’d like to meet him one day. He sounds like a great guy. Yeah. And Dicky Bourns watching. For those who don’t know Dicky. Yes, yeah. And you’re all looking great. He was my best man or worst man, whatever you want. he? Yeah, he was, yeah. Oh. Oh, well, it’s nice that he’s watching. Um Trumpet Mike wants to know about all the arrangements, the ones that you just played in the concert.
Are they published? How can people get hold of them? Richard? Um well, certainly mine is published by me. And if you go to my website, which is richardbissill.com. Link, please, in the chat. Thank you. I don’t know how to do that, but maybe somebody can do that for me. Um They will. They will. Um they can All my arrangements that I’ve ever done, in fact, every bit of music I’ve ever written is is there’s a link to it there. And um, people can just um, pay for them for the PDFs and download them.
So, it’s very quick and very easy. Um, I’m not sure about the other um, arrangements. I think they’re probably just in the London Brass Library at the moment. I I heard that the library is in the royal the college. Where Where did Andy had it all in his car? Um, you had to go and pick up you when you inherited all it all? Yeah. Well, there were 400 works. So, took up a whole wall in Dave Purser’s house who who managed the group before. And uh, yeah, my car was absolutely crammed of lots of interesting things actually from Philip Jones’ day.
Um, in fact, there’s enough music there to to from, you know, commissions that he got done to make another recording project at some point. But, yeah, there there’s a big big library. So, I just thought um, I wanted out the house. I didn’t running out of space. And uh, the college was um, yeah, they offered uh, a room or a locker to store it all. So, Byron looks after that. And he he’s Where is Byron? Byron Poulter, where are you? Is he coming along? He’s can’t make it, I don’t think.
He’s too busy he’s practicing. That’s what it is. There’s always There’s always one. He’s always practicing. Why is it always the trombonists? Between the rehearsal and show, he’s always practicing, bless him. Either practicing or writing really difficult parts for trumpet players. It’s got to be easy, isn’t it, playing the trombone? It’s got to be. Yeah, well, Byron and your two jazzers, where are they? They’re practicing as well. Don’t know, actually. Uh, Where’s Richard? Richard can’t make it, unfortunately. Oh, okay. And Johnny’s in his shed. What does he do in his shed?
You don’t want to know. Oh, okay. Potting. Potting. All right, you don’t want to say that too loud. I I don’t only Brits know what that is. Um Okay. Um Dave, will you can you answer this question from Grace in a typical year, how often would you perform together? And do you organize the performances yourself or does Andy have to do it all? We work with the agency. Yeah. And then Andy organized Andy and Esther organized all the stuff after that. Um Every year’s different. I mean, we used to do kind of much more, certainly.
Um used to come to Germany kind of twice a year and the States and and um Italy a couple of times a year, but it’s Um there’s so many kind of local groups that are like us now, so we do we do slightly less touring than we used to, but um we certainly do kind of It seems to be three or four trips to Germany, but they’re they’re smaller kind of length now. Um and occasionally we get to go to Italy, which we love cuz um we kind of eat rather a lot.
Um And drink that red that red juice some I think I said in one of your videos. Yeah, so every year’s different really. I mean, there’s no kind of standards. I mean, it just depends. Yeah, I mean, we kind of love Germany’s our major kind of um touring destination. Which is great cuz we we enjoy it. Dave, you are actually legendary um for a lot of things, but especially because you are the only one here that was one of the original members. You were in the Philip Jones um Brass Ensemble.
And Andy And Andy and Philip And Andy of course Andy Sorry, Andy of course, but you were in even before Andy, weren’t you? 84 I joined Philip, yeah. Um for his last couple of years then cuz I cuz Ray Premru went off to States and then came back again to finish off. So I joined for about a year and a half an hour Ray came back to do the final kind of 3 months with Philip. Um yeah, it was amazing. And I wrote I mean I was just reminiscing today because um we were in Germany and um we finished finished the concert of Philip announced before the concert.
He said um there was there’s going to be a meal in the restaurant after the concert and we we’d never kind of um we’d never kind of invited us for dinner before. So it was kind of as a whole group. So um we all kind of went to this dinner and not not knowing what to expect and he announced his retirement then. And we’ve got it we had a very long train journey all the way across Germany the next day and by the end of that train journey London Brass had been born.
So there was there were meetings all the way through there with Roger Harvey and and John Fletcher and Rob Franks and um yeah the the group was London Brass was born in that train trip. Um many years of yeah 1986. And and Philip was fine with that. Um he was he he encouraged it. He he wanted you to carry on and and use the repertoire Yeah, I mean Philip wanted it to continue but not with his name. So um the new name was was founded but um yeah with all the I mean we’d all play with Philip.
I mean it’s either particular style he liked and we kind of we continued that. He wanted the tradition to continue. I mean he’d been so kind of groundbreaking with with kind of developing the brass ensemble all those early years. So um yeah he was very keen for it to continue but but he was adamant that it wouldn’t be with his name at the helm. So we um we had to kind of veer off and use something else. And Oren, you you took over uh on a tour you had to sight read basically um when John Fletcher bless his heart I he was my our coach our brass coach in NYO and I just remember him saying the most important thing is playing on the beat for us tubas.
So and he would make all the tubas practice playing on the beat. And it sounds something like like normal but actually you know um uh it was amazing how difficult they all said it was. But, Arion, tell us about that because you you um John played them with London Brass, didn’t he? He started the new the new ensemble, or how did that work? Yeah, so he he uh Your ears. So, he said um So, he wanted us to he he he he said he was to stay in the group for a year.
And then he was he was going to move on. Um and it was going to be during that time I think that they were they were going to you know find an appropriate member, you know, but um but he actually he well, it was quite it was quite odd, and I suppose it happens, you know, it’s one of those things in life that that just happens. He he called me up, and he he said um he said he wasn’t feeling very well. And um could I come in and do a rehearsal for him?
Um which I was sort of I was very excited about. And I asked him if I could have a lesson uh before the rehearsal, and he was like, “Yeah, sure, you know, come over on Wednesday.” And he had um he had a brain hemorrhage on that day. On that very day. Um and um he he went into a coma for 6 months, and then and then died of pneumonia. Um uh and during that during that 6 months I did I did all his work in in the in the LSO and in London Brass.
And um Well, yeah, and so they they and I just carried on carried on playing in Lon- in in London Brass. Um and I think um yeah, that’s so that first tour, that’s right. So, I was I was basically there was a lot music that we didn’t rehearse uh on on that that day. And then we And then in the end because that I think because of the group the group knew some so much of the repertoire so well at that time. So yeah, there were there were parts that I was sight-reading.
And also there were parts where there were mistakes in the parts that he never corrected because he kind of basically he was one of these musicians that would almost memorize everything. Uh and make hardly any any notes. And actually I have I kind of have that in in I’m a bit si- similar in that regard as a musician. Um but it’s really hard if a dep then comes in and uh and then has to play through that because there were I just remember there were like whole bars missing in uh in these pieces.
And I and I I just remember the the feeling of that dread of feeling like I was I was concentrating so hard I was absolutely certain I was reading it right. Um and and I remember nobody saying anything. I think everybody was being really supportive. I think everybody was was slightly freaked out by what had happened. You know, we were all they were all a bit you know, and nobody was sure what was what was going to happen with him in in you know, um uh and so nobody said anything to me.
And it was like one of those It was one of those tours where I had to kind of work it all out by myself. Um and brilliant brilliant learning experience. And you’re still here. How many years ago was that? 34. Gosh. You guys have been playing for 34 year when you had your 30th birthday and the nice video to go with it. So gosh, how did we get so old? Well, I didn’t but uh Creeps up on you. I just think of what Groucho Marx said.
We said there’s nothing special about getting older. You just have to live long enough. So, the baby of the group, Dan, but I’m not speaking to you if you don’t put your hat back on. And I mean myself. You like this hat, Sarah, don’t you? He he just went off to get his flugelhorn. That’s it. I’ve got it. Loving your voice, Dan. Hey, mate. How you doing? You all right? I’m good, yeah. So, Dan, you’re you’re almost the baby of the group, right? Well, I mean, not really, but I mean Yeah, I was I think I’ve been in the group for about what, 12 years now?
Would you say 10, 12 years? Well, that’s nothing. That’s nothing. Yeah, I know. These concerts feel like it, though. The robbers are still on. Who remembers Dan’s audition, that rehearsal? Do you remember Who remembers that? Was that the college or the academy? The college. Yeah, the college, yeah. Do you remember that, Andy? No. Oh. You must have made a really good impression, Dan. Yeah, exactly. I don’t know how he suddenly appeared in the group. I’ve no recollection. I just I just sort of sneaked on the stage one day.
All I know is that he likes playing the flugelhorn, and he he always plonks himself on the bottom chair, which Well, you know, in my place, being a senior player. Well, Andy, as as we all know, is is very good that you’re that end because you do a lot of the announcements, and especially in Germany, and we’re so glad to have such a a sort of translator like yourself, you know. Who doubles on Here we go. All right. You started it. This might get This might get a bit ugly now.
Go on, Andy. Go on, Andy. Talk talk some German. KöNNEN WIR ANFANGEN? GERMAN? I WAS there at your last concert. I’ve heard his German. Sarah, can I just jump in here because basically Andy’s got a routine and we’ve spoken about this at the airport when he practiced quite a bit. He said, “Dan, can I just have a quick word? I just want to run this through, you know, before I go on.” I said, “Yeah.” So, he he sort of he walks up to the mic first and then you have to be very subtle you have to take loads and notes about this cuz he’s very subtle about this, but he sort of looks around, winks at me like this, and then he walks up to the microphone, just does a little double tap, and then leans in and says, “Guten Abend.” Mine Damen und Herren.
And that’s how it’s done. And then he said, “The rest of the concert’s going to BE IN ENGLISH.” WAIT. HE HAD THEM AT Damen und Herren. I mean, I I remember it was it was very charming. It’s the yeah, he’s he’s I mean, I think it’s not the content, it’s the delivery and just the accent that does it. Yeah, so. It was this time last year that you were here. We all did the Jingle Bells with you. It was. With the keys. Right. That’s a good trick.
Richard, was that your idea? No, that was Gareth’s idea, I think. Oh, that was Gareth. Nice one. Oh, Gareth. Well done, Gareth. I like I like a party when we throw some keys in the in the in the in the All right, here we go. Hey, it’s not 9:00 yet, lads. Come on. All right. It is here. Dan, what’s your favorite part of the concert at the Christmas concert? Apart from the encores and uh I suppose just the the extended rehearsal time that we have usually and everything goes smoothly, you know.
No, I know exactly what you’re getting at. I’m just trying to get a few extra ones in quickly. Um Yeah, my favorite bit is um it’s in Sleigh Ride and it’s a very special moment um Andy Andy, you know, he sort of says that he doesn’t play the lazy man’s cornet, which is another name for the flugelhorn. And uh there’s one occasion where he bagged that seat and um we basically we do Sleigh Ride and then we pass down this whinny from all the trumpets. So, it goes from Gareth to myself and then it ends up with Andy on the flugelhorn.
It’s great. It’s And then all of a sudden it sounded like a a sick shire horse down there. And we could not play. I mean, that was it. I’ve never heard anything like it. in Berlin. That was in Berlin. in Berlin. It was in Berlin. That’s when that’s when my suitcase got lost and I wore Stephen Dors jacket. Have you told him about that yet? I remember. Five minutes before the concert. But Stephen, you look very muscular in that in that jacket. Um yeah. Stephen Yeah, just just just 5 minutes before we were about to play in Cologne, wasn’t it?
Yeah. You turned up and just walked up basically on stage with somebody else’s clothes on and just started playing. That was astonishing. That was truly astonishing. Yeah, bravo. Yeah. And Byron’s trombone as well, wasn’t it? Oh, yeah. Andy Carl tell us all about There’s always something goes wrong on our tours, Andy. There’s always used to it, don’t you? And I have to say that Andy is the as the leader on these trips. He’s uh he’s incredible because inevitably something will go wrong. It’ll be an instrument lost or the bus will get lost or we’ll miss a flight or the music will get lost, as we’ve been.
And Andy, we’ll say, “Andy, what are we going to do?” We’re all just thinking, “Oh my god, I’m not sorting this out.” And outwardly Andy is cool as a cucumber. He he may be just in turmoil inside, but he doesn’t come across as that at all. So, but something always goes wrong, doesn’t it? Jinx. Tell us whatever whatever we do. Tell us some of the best things that have gone wrong. We like stories like that. It’s better than talking about embouchures and mouthpieces. Um trombones going missing at Venice airport, I seem to remember.
There was like a Oh, yeah. an eight eight-hour wait or something. Um I mean, the worst one was the very early days of London Brass when we went to Italy for the first time. one. And and in those days we used to put the you had to check the the baggage in with the music in and the music went missing. We turned up we flew out to to Rome and then flew out to Sicily. And there was this massive big conference for all these music educators and so we we didn’t have any music.
So we had to cancel that concert and then the next day we were flying back from Sicily back to Rome um to do another concert and at that point music flew from Rome to Sicily. So we had to cancel the next concert and and eventually it took us about 3 days to find the music in the end but it was a disaster. So It’s a pre-internet PDFs and Yeah. So You have it all on iPads and and and stuff now so if you if it Richard you’ve got it all on your website.
Mhm. Yeah, sure. But the music never got goes in the hold anymore. So Byron the the librarian always got it on his back. Mhm. I remember mouthpieces. I remember you forgot your passport Andy, didn’t you? Remember when we went to Italy? Yeah. You forgot your passport and then you had to get a later flight and then somebody had to drive you like about 200 km an hour to get to From Milan into the Dolomites. Up into the Dolomites. And you got there like 3 minutes before the start of the show.
Got out of the car, cool as a cucumber, put his shades on. Waited for I’ve just been on holiday for 2 weeks, haven’t played a note. And all the all this thing about you know making sure you’ve done a good warm-up and everything like that. When it comes to our our concerts often when these things happen there’s actually no time for it. You get stuck in a traffic jam and you’ll you’ll arrive at the venue and the the audience is already there sitting waiting. So all you just you’ve got to dash in and put your gear on, straight onto the stage and start playing without playing a note.
Um so now these people who are who are hooked on their warm-ups they might might have come a bit unstuck in that situation I think. That’s abs that’s That’s what we say on on all all the horn hangouts. You’ve got to be prepared for all sorts of situations. You know, you got to be able to play without a warm-up. It’s no use, you know, insisting on your 1 hour. But, is that maybe why you’re I think it was Philip’s on some of the then London Brass that started this tradition of brass concerts starting with, you know, Elizabethan something early and then building up to something like Sleigh Ride at the end.
Is that Is that your format? Lindsay, tell us. Yeah. What is What is it That’s the London Brass format? Absolutely. Yeah, it’s it’s all chronological order. It’s like um starting off with the early stuff and and moving towards modern-day stuff with the with with our jazzes at the end of the of the evening or the lollipops and all the the fun. But, that’s maybe easier to warm up on the early stuff. It Oh, well, not necessarily easiest to warm up on, but it gives it sort of a sense of of um history and the way the music has progressed throughout throughout time.
But, I mean, I’m just just remembering that one of those last situations that when the tuba went missing. We had to make the next flight as well? The tuba went missing at at Berlin Oh, yeah. and we had to wait for the next flight and we waited and waited and waited and then we drove like idiots to the venue and we got to the the church, massive cathedral church. And there were like 500 people all sitting there waiting and we literally got out of the van, put our clothes on and walked down the middle aisle, set our stands up and played.
The first note we played was the first note of the show. And it was just it’s that ridiculous with with the the the amount of stress and goes involved in all that and then you look around and you think that these 10 guys know what they’re doing. They can really turn it on under any situation. And we’ve been there so many times. It’s absolute It’s a a real joy to be part of an outfit that can just turn it on when the Yeah, when the chips are really, really down.
So, uh But, yeah. But, we’ve been doing it doing it a long time, so we we know we we can when we have to. And you guys seem to laugh a lot. Aaron said in one of the one of the interviews that if you hear laughing going on at Heathrow Airport at 5:00 in the morning, it has to be London Brass. It’s It seems a bit like that, yeah. Yeah, we we are We all take the mickey out of each other. We’ve got all these in jokes that that go on.
We’ve We’ve got loads of um quotes that that pop up. I mean, one of my favorites is uh Dickie Dickie pistol when it comes up loads and loads of time. When we’re rehearsing, we we’ve got trying There’s lots of music that we’ve played many, many times before, and then and we said, “Well, should we We we should play this piece, shouldn’t we?” And Dickie said, “Well, let’s not, but say we did.” So, we we use that one quite a lot. So, yeah. That’s uh There was another one about an Irish student who was asking about two-thirds of the mouthpiece.
Oh, oh. That You’ve got to leave that to the trumpet player. I’m not going to say that one. That one is Johnny’s. But, it’s true, isn’t it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Um so, dear Horn Hangout friends, I’ve got to let you know what’s going on here in the chat. It’s really fantastic. Everyone’s writing in where they’re watching from. Um Trumpet Mike says, “Nothing beats talking about embouchures and mouthpieces.” Well, um it’s Christmas. Uh Heidi says, “Is there anything more satisfying than playing great music with great great friends?” No, it’s just the best, isn’t it?
No. Yeah. It’s just the best. Um uh Amateur Shipping says, “Given how rowdy it’s getting here, it’s hard to imagine some that some crazy seat swap has never taken place. Have you ever tried swapping instruments with each other?” Only in photographs. Um Gary says, “Orin, thank you for telling that story. Fred Devereux was his tuba teacher in Birmingham and always told him about his good friend Fletch.” Um Una Tanner says that that your concert is playing quietly in the background and it takes him back. His dad was a cornet player.
Um and apparently I used to wander around the bandstand as a toddler. Do any of you still play in bandstands anymore? Do Do people play in bandstands anymore? We’re not allowed to. Socially distancing. I I have been I have been playing um a bandstand in my local park twice a week. By yourself? for several months. That’s true, actually. Why are they laughing at you? Uh Sounds a bit sad, but I’m sure somebody was there listening to him. Yeah, I’ve been playing to local families with with toddlers and babies.
And they’ve been they’ve been literally putting food on my table. Aw, that’s nice. That’s lovely. Yeah. That’s lovely. You have got that toddler program going on, Orin. I remember you told me. That’s right. Well, that’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve been doing That’s what I’ve been doing in the park. Fantastic. Bandstand. That’s brilliant. Oh, well, good for you. I think everybody needs music. So, out you go, boys. All of you, get out there. Go and play outside. It’s uh Sorry, Sam. Talking about bandstands, I um I think a lot of us grew up in in in the brass band world.
And um if I’m out and about and you happen to happen to hear a band playing on a Sunday afternoon in the park, I get all nostalgic and I say, “Oh, I’ll just Let’s stay Let’s Let’s stay and listen for a bit.” And they go, “No, let’s get going.” And I go, “No, let’s stay and listen.” Cuz it’s a it’s very uh I don’t know. It’s just poignant, isn’t it? Listening to all that the stuff you used to play when you first started. Is that poignant?
Yeah. Yeah. And also, not only not only band you you played in big bands, cuz you’re known as the horn player who can swing, cuz none of us can. Except you. Um well, I’m sure other horn players can do, but I did I did uh play a lot of uh sort of jazz when I was a teenager. I played in a in a local um big band um in Leicester. And then I was in the uh National Youth Jazz Orchestra, I think that’s what it’s called.
Yeah. Yeah. So, um yeah. Uh yeah, they had a token horn in in a cuz they were uh pretending pretending jazz instruments, you know, but so um so, you learn you learn how to sort of uh fit in. I I think that’s the best way of putting it, really. Um but um yeah. Yeah. I I can I can I can swing. Let’s put it You certainly can. Maddie has just asked in the chat. I think it may be our Maddie. She said, “Could you Sarah, can you be a guest horn with Richard when London Brass is is next in Germany?” I think that’s a great idea, Maddie.
That’s a fantastic idea. I can do the jingles, the jingle bells, maybe even the horse. You can come and pull and play and double up with me, because uh as you know, we’re we’re fighting a losing battle in a in a ten-piece, aren’t we, Sarah? Totally. And this is another question, why do you only have one horn? One’s enough. Yeah, so you don’t want twice the amount of splits, do we, really? I mean, come on. Oh, I better I better stay in the audience, then. Do you know why that lineup happens like it has?
Cuz Philip, in the very early days, in the fifth late fifties and early sixties, had two groups. He had a two trumpet, three trombone group that did all the Tower music, the the early Gabrieli, all this sort of stuff. And he had another group that did the modern music. Two trumpets, one horn, one one tuba, one trombone. And then, somebody said, “Why don’t you have both groups together? And that’s why you ended up with four trumpets, four trombones, and only one horn and one tuba. There we are.
How many people know that? I never knew that, Lizzy. Yeah, every day is a school day. There we are. You learned one No, that’s probably true. I just made it up. Apparently, there was Ursula. That’s right. It was Ursula who suggested that. Yeah. Yeah. I actually invited Ursula tonight to come and say hello, but Ursula, if you’re watching, get on the Zoom link. We want to see you to say hello. Oh, it’d be lovely to see her. Yeah. would. I She had the link. She wanted to make it, but um she Yeah, she was She’s been organizing all sorts of concerts for everybody, and then they were all canceled.
So, she She’s a force of nature. Ursula is Philip Jones’s uh wife, widow, who carry is really carried carried the flame for for brass players. She’s really carried on on in his in his name, hasn’t she? And uh done amazing things, really amazing things. Um so, Jade says there’s no no such thing as too much horns. I agree with that. Yeah. I prefer to play more in the in in Dave’s or in Oren’s range. Yeah, I’m I’m getting I’m getting that way as I’m getting older, I have to say.
Yeah. People always say you you go down to fourth horn. It’s not, it’s a promotion. Sideways, I think um it’s it’s referred to as rather than as a as rather than moving down. Sideways. Um Jonathan Lipton in the LSO used to say that. You move sideways. Sideways, yeah. Yeah. So, how would you guys Andy, how would you describe the London Brass sound? Um warm, uh unique. I think it is. I think I think we we play in a in a obviously in a very English way.
And um What is an English way? Well, is it I think it’s a lot of things, the way we produce. I know that that sort of the way that we use vibrato, the way that I don’t know, it’s it’s complex, but it you can tell instantly. That’s why I asked you. Well, I don’t know really. I don’t think I think if you, you know, if you compared, right, Canadian Brass, they’re an amazing group, but they’re they’re very very flamboyant um they have a different style of playing.
Quite sort of I don’t know, I’m trying to say the right thing here, but not as sonorous. That’s how I look at That’s how I think, but incredibly exciting and vibrant. Um I think we play um in a more sonorous way, and I certainly know when because a lot of us do film work in in in in London. So, we’re often, you know, when we’re not working with London Brass, we’re actually in studios recording, you know, the latest James Bond movie or something, and and a a lot of composers always say we we we love the brass in in the UK.
Um I agree. I love the brass in the UK. I ended up in Germany, but I I still You you have a lot of fans over here. Um Dan has got to leave actually, and what we always do at the end of a hangout, but we’ll do now, we’re not quite finished with you yet, we do a um a screenshot. And so, we need to we need to put the hats back on, guys. And we need to we need to get that screenshot done now. I prefer my hat actually.
I don’t know. I think. So, right, yeah, there we go. Brilliant. Okay, so can I have a Dave still looks like a Christmas card, doesn’t he? Look at him. It’s like a still life. Okay, ready? Can you get your Brussels sprout All right, all of you watching, can you take some selfies and some screenshots for us and and tweet them or Instagram them because this is you’ll probably never see London Brass like this again, although maybe you’ll wear your hats when you come next time. Okay, ready?
So, um what do we say? 1 2 3 mulled wine, glühwein. Cheers. Okay. Dan, you can go now. Hey guys. Cheers, all. Cheers. Bye. And please send my love to the guys at at the LSO for me. Um You’re playing, aren’t you? You just Simon was just there. Oh, he’s gone. All right. Well, that was Dan Yeo. He’s not in the LSO anymore. He isn’t? That’s why he left suddenly. He left Covent Garden with Richard. He’s at the opera house. Oh, when did he move? I’m behind the times.
Um he’s a man of We should say what Maybe we should say what you know, we all do. Who’s Who’s in what job at the moment? Yeah, yeah, that would be really good, actually, because obviously I’m way behind the times. Last time I saw Dan was in the LSO. We we did a tour together to Brazil. By the way, there’s someone from Brazil watching. A big fan of yours, Rodrigo in Brazil, says the London Brass trumpets are amazing, but all the groups sound amazing. So, there you go.
So, he’s from Brazil. You got out of that one quick. Yeah, you you can go back and read it. That’s really what he said. Um so, yeah, tell me Dan’s now at Covent Garden. Yeah, he’s principal cornet at Covent Garden. Cornet? Do they have Cornet is a principal cornet chair. So, all the Prokofiev, all the Tchaikovsky, that’s his that’s his bag. But, he he also plays in the trumpet section as well. Okay. But, when did he move? Oh, about two or three years ago. Okay, I totally missed that.
Never mind. Yeah. Sorry. Richard Richard’s principal horn at Covent Garden? Uh no longer the principal horn, Sarah. I was I went sideways. He moved sideways. Sideways, yeah. You went sideways. I went sideways. Did you go left or right? Uh I went Yeah, I went left. No, I went right, in fact. I went right. I went right, yeah. I’d had enough of uh That is librarian, isn’t it? Uh that’s the word, yeah. First, third, second, fourth, bumper librarian. That’s it, yeah. Um now, I I’d uh I’d done enough uh principal horn, I think.
Um and uh uh an opportunity came up to move sideways, so I moved sideways. You know, Jesse, remember Jessye Norman saying, “Honey, I ain’t got no sideways.” Yes, yeah. Yeah. And Orin, you play for toddlers in the park, which is fabulous. But you don’t play in an orchestra anymore, do you? Or do you? No, I don’t I don’t I don’t Open your ears if you can’t hear me. Yeah, yeah, no, I don’t have a job. Oh. Um I never have. Never have. It’s never interested me.
Um but um since since lockdown, yeah, I’ve I’ve I’m I’m very grateful for the local families who have really supported me and who have um who’ve really wanted me to to share uh my music with them. And I’ve ended up uh for the first time in my life writing songs. Uh and um which I’ve I’ve never done before. So, I’ve I’ve I’ve written a whole load of songs that we all sing together. Um uh communally. And um I’ve got about uh 320 local families who I play for uh on a regular basis.
And um and I’ve been Yeah, like I said, writing songs, teaching myself different instruments. You’ve got a whole lot there. You were just playing something just before we started. What was that? Oh, I mean, that’s just uh that’s a new instrument. I haven’t I I I can’t really play it yet. It’s called a the Fujara flute. A gyro flute? Fujara. It’s um it’s an overtone flute from Slovenia. Right. Every Tesco’s has got one. Go on. That doesn’t sound like Slovenia. It sounds like Tibet. It’s It’s an incredible tradition.
I’ve It’s um Well, anyway, I’ve just been, you know, learning about new cultures and different kinds of music and teaching myself different instruments and keeping myself awake as a musician and and trying to maintain uh some kind of income so I can put food on the table. Well, that’s great. We’re going to get to Gareth and Lindsey and David in a moment and Andy, but I think we might just have a very special guest joining us. Um we’ll wait and see if that uh if that works out.
Um I don’t know if you can see Don’t Don’t give it away yet. I can’t see a picture yet, but I can see a big U. Um anyway, Gareth, principal trumpet of the Halle, and I think I see down here somebody’s finger. All right. Let’s see. Oh, bless you. Down where? Keep that to yourself. That’s a cheeky finger. Yes. I don’t know what I Yes, IT’S URSULA. OH. OH, URSULA. WOOHOO! OH, she’s frozen. Too Yeah, she’s freezing. Ursula’s on the As usual, she’s just gatecrashing the party.
I don’t know I don’t know if you can see that, um dear Horn Hangout friends, but that is Ursula Jones, our wonderful dear Ursula, and but she keeps disappearing. So, we’ll let her um Let’s find her. I could see her jumper. Um anyway, Gareth, Halle principal trumpet? How long? Um, oof. Well, I’ve been in Manchester nearly 30 years since I left the academy. Wow. Um, yeah, nearly 30 years. Well, I first met uh London Brass in Lubeck in in um in a on a course, music course, and they were they were horsing it and It was that amazing.
Yeah, do you remember that? I do, yeah. Yeah. Very well. It was brilliant. I really enjoyed it and uh I just thought, “Do you know what? I’d really like to play with these guys properly.” Um a student and the chance came for me to join the group. Well, I was depping actually because a lot of the time um in the summer, the the people who were in the LPO, like Lindsey and Anne Macnaghten at the time and Paul Bernston, they were always doing Glyndebourne. So, they were they were stuck doing Glyndebourne.
So, they always needed depts in the summer. Now, uh the Halle job we used to have at least a month off in the summer. So, I could um slot into uh do other do some freelancing. So, I did a fair bit of London Brass uh depping, did all the chairs where wherever I was needed and uh when I think when Anne left, they asked me to join the group. I can’t remember how many years ago that was. That was That was when Dave uh Purser left the group.
Dave left and we joined and he left his euphonium in the in a in a in a hotel, if you remember. Yes. I don’t know how many years ago that was. At least 15, was it? Got to be, yeah. Yeah. Lindsey, how long have you been the group uh with the group? And Well, I’ve I’ve lost count. Um I never I was never a member of the Philip Jones Brass Ensemble. But, I was lucky enough to be asked to dep when either Dave Purser was too busy with London Sinfonietta or Chris Mowat was too busy with the BBC Symphony Orchestra.
So, I would come in one or the other and play a different part every time I turned up and never rehearsed because everybody knew it all so well before, you know. Is that all right, Lindsay? Do you want to play that? No, no, no, no. It’s okay, we’ll just move on. So. So, that was in the mid-80s um with with Dave. And I I remember Orpheus’ first rehearsal in Croxton Studios very, very clearly. Wow. Um and so it was amazing uh period of history really see seeing Philip um at the end of his at the at the end of his tenure.
And so that must have been mid-80s and then I continued to dep for London Brass um when they when they started up cuz it was still Dave Purser and Chris Mowat. And then I think when Chris Mowat left um I was asked to join. So, I was very, very honored. And I’ve been there ever since. So, that’s about 164 years now. And what what’s your day job, Lindsay? Um principal trombone in the Royal Opera House. But, not a lot to do at the moment. But, you can all carpool to you always, you know, opera’s easier to get off work, isn’t it, than than a symphony orchestra?
Well, you’d like like to think so, but once something’s tied, it’s tied. Yeah. Um so, there there are all always things that make it more difficult to um but but I was hoping for this big trip around Germany this Christmas I was going to be able to get time off because Eric Crees had retired in February. Oh, really? yeah, he’s so he’s retired. So, I’m the only left one who’s left. But, then I thought, well, if there’s a big trip in Germany this Christmas I can just idle off and we can get people in on trial.
It’ll be fantastic. That was That was my trump card and I didn’t need to play it because nothing’s happening. So, there we are. Nothing’s happening. It’ll be back. They’ve already started the vaccines. We’ll We’ll be back. Dave, how about you? Well, you you were original you were one of the old originals. That makes you very old. Very old. Not as old as some. I was very young at the time. Yes, I’m I’m in the BBC um Concert Orchestra, luckily. It’s been It’s been amazing, but um yes, we’ve been churning out lots of stuff from um from home all the way through lockdown for various You’ve done amazing stuff actually, the BBC Concert.
Yeah, we’ve been we can have been doing various things on Radio 2 with different acts, kind of Gregory Porter and John Legend and uh Cliff Richard and various others. It’s been great. And then we actually did a concert with an audience on Tuesday, which was the first time. Which was which was weird and very quite emotional really. We did some carols at um at the Barbican with BBC Singers. And it was just amazing to see this kind of tiny audience spread out around the Barbican. Yeah.
Um amazing. Absolutely amazing. Yeah, we had that in the Philharmonie and it was just so weird seeing this huge hall and then so few people and then the clapping sounds like little kids clapping. Yeah, it was just it was so strange to hear other people clap because we did a prom in the summer and it was just us um 37 of us on stage in the Albert Hall. Um and then when the piece finished, it was down to us to clap. And then clap clap clap the principal oboe or clap one of the singers.
So, and it was bizarre. And then suddenly on Tuesday to have someone else clapping, it was amazing. Yeah. It’s something you forget very quickly. I know. Um Oran Una Tanna says, “My inner toddler salutes you.” Just passed that on. Isn’t that nice? Isn’t that nice? And Andy Crowley, of course, you are the you are London Brass. You run it. You spend all your time making videos for them. Hello. Nothing else to do in my life. But I enjoy it. It’s fun. Yeah. Um Yeah, it’s a big part of um what I do because there’s so much of it takes planning and behind the scenes.
So I yeah, you know, there’s always something to do, but I yeah, I I do other things. I mean, for many years I was I was in the in the English Chamber Orchestra for about 30 years. Um in fact, I remember Ursula and Philip used to come along to concerts. And I used to meet them afterwards sometimes. Um and I was a member of the London Sinfonietta. So doing a lot of contemporary music. And yeah, then I taught stuff at the Royal College. I’ve done West End shows and then film work and so I think I’ve covered a lot a lot of different things.
Um except being in an in an orchestra, but um still here. And it it’s Yeah, there’s still time. Never say never. No, I don’t think that’s something I aspire to at all now. I mean, yeah, there there would have been a time, but I it’s um yeah, I think it’s an incredibly hard thing to do. Schedules and and the way that English musicians tour tour in in orchestras and conditions. I think it’s a young man’s game, possibly. If that still carries on, I mean, I was talking to Simon Rattle about all that cuz he still lives here in Berlin and he said everyone’s going to have to stay much closer to home for the next years.
And how will that affect London Brass, do you think? And also this terrible thing we don’t even want to mention the B word, but what come from January, I’ve been told that I’m a foreigner and I’ve been living here for so many years, but now I’m a foreigner with a British passport. I have to apply for a you know, I have to prove that I I’m entitled to stay here. I mean, it’s just like but that’s going to make life difficult to travel. Yeah, really difficult.
Um yeah, we we’ve just missed out on a load of work this December and I do have five dates offered from our agents in you know, another Christmas series next year and that will probably fill out again, but I don’t know how we get around all the paperwork and visas and if it comes to that. I I don’t know how that’s going to Right. That’s where Esther comes in very useful, but it it it is going to be yeah, it’s going to be a bit tricky tricky I’m sure.
Well, Ursula, um if you can hear us, uh we could see you a little bit, but we couldn’t hear you and um and handsome Tim just told me that you don’t have a microphone on your phone so for some reason. So, but we know you’re there and um and does Ursula get to your concerts much, Richard? When’s the last time you saw her? Uh I can’t remember to be honest. Um Just now. Just now, yeah. I mean, uh I think the other guys have probably seen her more frequently than I have to be honest.
Um Aaron, have you seen Aaron does. Yeah. Um I’m in I’m in regular contact with with Ursula, yeah. Yeah. Um and um I’ve been involved in this project that she does every other year in um in London, which is a kind of celebration of of Philip’s life and it’s it’s it’s this kind of marathon concert of uh brass brass ensembles from every conservatory in the UK. Um playing, you know, over the course of I know it’s about like two two hours. Uh and um and it’s quite a thing and you know, and there’s often a piece at the start and at the end where everybody’s playing together.
In fact, a few years back we did one of Richard’s pieces that he conducted. Mhm. Um which is a which is an amazing piece. I love that piece. It was it for for the It was written for the LPO, wasn’t it? Yes, for their 75th um uh anniversary, yeah, yeah. It’s the anniversary piece for for it’s a brass it’s a like orchestral brass, anyway. So, I I I I was I was quite and I have been quite involved in in in the organization of that and and also presenting it as well and just being part of of of what happens with with the logistics of of that.
So, I do see her. I’m in in touch with her every now and again. But, I mean this this whole last uh eight nine months has been extraordinary because we’ve we’ve all been uh just from, you know, obviously from the infringement of our civil liberties over the over, you know, over a over this virus, we’ve all been pushed to our to our homes and our families and our local communities and and I think that um we have, you know, we can keep in touch like this.
We can be on Zoom. We can teach on Zoom, possibly, you know, that for for a limited amount of time. I can’t see it I can’t see it really working in the long term. Um but people like Ursula, they’re used to working with people, directly with people and working live and and working with in situations where she knows, you know, she knows the local politicians or lo- you know, um local dignitaries and she goes and talks to them and she she’s a she’s a charmer, you know, she’s charismatic and she’s um she’s determined and and so and super motivated, you know, so I think um so I’m I’m really hoping that things do change um quite soon so that Ursula can get back to to doing what she does best, which is, you know, working with people and especially young people.
You know, she’s very very positive and and and is a great patron of um you know, studies for young people and she supports so many people and colleges. Philip Philip would be proud. I’m sure he Absolutely. wherever he is. Guys, you’ve been amazing. I mean, the main the main reason for the hangout tonight was to wear our Christmas hats, of course, um but also to encourage everyone that hasn’t seen the concert yet to go over to the London Brass uh YouTube channel and watch the concert that was put on.
It was earlier on this evening, I think 7:00 p.m. Berlin time um or 7:00 p.m. uh London time. London time. And it’s still there, right Andy? Yes, it’s there with links in the in the description. If you if um you want to download the tracks. Other than that, you can go to londonbrass.net and go to the shop page and the three downloads are there, too. So, it’s very easy to uh bag yourself a little treat for Christmas. Also donation links because these these days it all helps incredibly and um Yeah.
and The the project um I I say we we had very kind donation from uh this anonymous our friend. our friend and it didn’t cover everything in the end cuz things always get more expensive. So, yeah, we’ve we we’ve taken out a bounce back loan from the government and so yeah, it’d be great to get some some money in uh from from other sources if possible. So, there’s a donate button on the uh on the homepage. Of course. Well, that’s great. Thank you so much for joining me.
I’m sorry I was a little bit late um but thanks to all of you that been in the in the chat and and and talking amongst yourselves. I just love that to know you’re all out there. Um everyone’s saying happy holidays, Tabitha um thanks so much London Brass and Sarah. Happy holidays. Um let us know where you’re watching from. The The London Brass guys will get a copy of the chat so they can see where you’ve been watching and your messages and uh thank you for your questions.
I hope you’ve been wearing your hats. I can’t wait to go on to my Instagram and see. Um, I hope you’ve uh you’ve posted posted selfies of yourself in your Christmas attire. Um, I think I’ll put my hat back on for the for for the end of that. So, thank you guys. You’ve been It’s been fantastic to see you. Don’t go away because the after hang a horn hangout party is often um just as fun as the horn hangout itself. But um we’ll turn off the recording button and wish everybody a happy Christmas, especially all of your fans.
Yeah, happy Christmas. Happy Christmas. Happy Christmas everyone. Thanks for tuning in. Gareth, we need the Brussels sprouts to say goodbye. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And And Andy, I saw your dog wandering around there. I heard him drinking. I heard lapping. I don’t know whether that was one of you guys or whether it was the dog. Um, no, it was not the dog. That was Dickie. Dickie wanted to say goodbye. Oh, cute. Okay. Happy Christmas to you all. Stay safe. Um, can’t wait to see you back here on the horn hangouts next next year.
It sounds so far away. Um, but stay safe, stay healthy, stay inside. Uh, we’re on a big lockdown here so we’re not going anywhere. Um, take care. And London Brass, you guys have been my heroes ever since I was at the Guildhall and uh sneaking into your concerts. And Richard Bissill is my hero anyway. Um. Uh, he is he is All of you are. And Owen, I remember Junior College. Do you remember? Junior College. We were at Junior College together. Your ears have grown since then.
Thank you. Gareth, Singapore, do you remember? Gosh. Oh, yes. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Anyway, and and the I just admire you all, love your sound. I’m going to go and watch your concert now. If anyone wants to put the link in the chat, again and uh thanks again to Esther for for organizing all this and Ursula for joining us. We saw you. We love you and and handsome Tim, of course, in Melbourne who is in his pajamas still or whatever he wears this time of the morning.
So happy Christmas you lot. Thanks a lot. Bye everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
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