Stefan Jezierski, 3rd horn of the Berlin Philharmonic, gives us a wonderful insight into what horn playing and tennis have in common on Sarah’s live Horn Hangouts. Don’t forget to read the books he suggested - The Inner Game of Tennis and the Inner Game of Music! Berlin, May 2020
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You hi everybody welcome back to the horn hangouts how was your weekend I started my weekend as you know with a bang at Stefan Dora’s house cooking well he was cooking papaya salad and chocolate cooler and I loved getting all the photos from you of all the people that cooked with us and from all the people that drank with us that was also good fun
I was exhausted afterwards I don’t know Stefan was as well it was quite an event so today we have my other favorite Stefan with us Stefan it’s is key welcome back to the horn hangouts thank you very much it’s great to be here thank you it’s a pleasure thank you for your t-shirt and actually you could tell us what you got to do today we haven’t got you for too long today have we well
I have 10 on tennis training with my team at 4 o’clock but fortunately the club is around the corner basically so we you know we’ve got time to serve up some questions hey so it’s great to see you all so many people on the chat already Stefan Mathew Haislip says hi dear Sarah and Stefan Francis hello from
Warsaw Sam Holbrook from UK Selina’s back again Hadley says hi Sarah and Stefan greetings from Boston we need to know who Stefan’s favorite tennis player is well who else huh who else could it be but the goat well I have to I would have to say they’re two that I really really admire and those would be Roger
Federer and Rafael Nadal both of them were incredible sportsmen incredibly genius players and they just have an attitude that just well I really think they have a great attitude to the game always gentlemen always giving their 110% I would have to say those two and judging from their records that there have done pretty well over the years one must say who are you for then when you’re watching a match between the two of them ah that’s difficult like so much
I have to see what the situation is and you know if I think you know some games looks like the French Open on clay then then it’s good to see na kaho on his surface do well and and Roger Federer has become such a legend you know he’s playing on a on a faster surface then I’m very happy if
Roger you know who’s ever playing the best whoever deserves it I think I can Gail Williams and I would marry Roger Federer if he asked well even if he didn’t ask we’d marry him tomorrow anyway chef and you can put the racket down until you have to leave if you I know I told Stephan to get get him get a tennis racquet one second before the
Hangout started Stephan Michael Buckwalter said yesterday would have been Denis brains 99th birthday that’s a little bit of trivia for you yeah the hero my DeRose yeah he’s like the Roger Federer of horn players yeah totally so that’s your favorite some stuff on what do you think I can I start out with a question I’m from me the similarities between tennis playing and horn playing okay well two of them are activities where one has to perform a specific action at a specific time like when you’re playing horn you’re sitting along the orchestra and then
Clark comes along and you have like maybe a solo and you get ready to play and you have to say breathe and you’re ready and stay relaxed but breathing now it’s a matter of timing and tennis is also it’s a matter of timing you know with with us as I’m playing more players whether we feel like like it in that particular second to play a certain note but this is all this is we this our job that’s what we get paid for it and so it’s a matter of absolute timing in a train if a train comes up you know 10 seconds too late to
The station I think oh how punctual how wonderful if we play our solo 10 seconds too late even if it’s perfectly right people are going to be very perhaps very upset in the only 10 seconds and tennis it’s also a matter of hitting the ball on at exactly the right time one has a little bit of leeway but not too much but once they hit the perfect shot then one has to have it’s a matter of timing much in life yeah totally
Stefan your daughter-in-law daughter is watching hi daughter is with you and and Jonathan vague look as joined us from Hamburg hi or not actually have you started your new job yet Advaita err Jonathan let us know nice to see you so many people also Fon Patrick from Toronto Vincent hi from Anna C Gayle Williams is watching Gayle we love you and you and
I adore Roger Federer don’t we um but also Stephan Jays Bushell is here hello from Brum from Birmingham and jazz told me a nice story about you playing Siegfried horn call in the middle of the night every night in some camp rollin rollin Z I see every time I’m very happy about that can you please write in a few more details about that time because we’d like to do
Gale agrees she says many aspect of tennis and horn playing are the same thanks Stefan Stefan wouldn’t you also say that the mental aspect of it they even wrote a book about it that in a game of tennis was adopted yeah like Timothy Galway the inner game of tennis I read this this book before my audition for the
Berlin Philharmonic I was living this book me too I’m non-judgmental awareness and it put me into such a good frame of mind for this audition that I really could play my best and I really think this book this attitude way of looking at things has helped me so much over the years yeah then then when I read the book about tennis playing
I thought wow and I had all played tennis before a little bit but that’s not well tennis this must be a really cool sport so then when when it was like the big boom of tennis in Germany with Boris Becker and Steffi Graf and everyone in my ortho about 20 people my colleagues that were so I joined in and you know
I just really was addicted to tennis and actually almost every day um Stefan did you know Matthew hiset told us if the Cincinnati Symphony horn player Dwayne Duggar had to choose between a tennis career and horn playing he chose the horn but did you David you know him no there you go that’s a tennis partner for our next tour yeah
Cincinnati Symphony and f1 Patrick well hi morning f1 Patrick wants to know what is one aspect of horn playing you find you have improved with skills learned through tennis or other sports I think it’s a matter of like dealing with stress situations when you know there are certain times in certain concerts where you really have to perform something at a certain level and any one is under stress and one has to deal with these situations have not become freak to help buy up and realize okay the cameras are running and everyone is watching me and
I’m going to play this now and I want to play it right and it’s the same thing you know in tennis if you have you know there’s a you’ve played a a point it’s a very important point that you need to get and you played to an advantage and you just have an easy shot you have to put it in the open court and that is the same kind of thing as when you’re playing or and even if the note is not easy something like let’s say
Oberon is not difficult it just by itself someone has to to make the distinction what is actually difficult by itself and what becomes difficult because of the situation one has to deal with while this is going on I’ve always been in all of the sports people like the tennis players at the last shot of Wimbledon or the golfers that have just that one little putt to get in and one little putt away from a hundred million dollars or however much they earn what what goes through people’s minds at that moment probably nothing
I’m actually ideally it’s nothing if you can get if you could shut out the back noise in your mind just concentrate on that thing you know I’m usually able to do that then it’s okay but if you are the kind of person that is thinking about other things and it’s it’s and it wasn’t one doesn’t get focus on stage then one can that can lead to unnecessary mistakes there’s a very good question here from
Gabrielle Seba thank you for that Gabrielle he says he has a question because of the watching the theme in the inner game book you know watching the scene yeah what thing or thoughts do you have do you have to focus on while horn playing do you do you have watching the seem watching the valve I don’t know sometimes in certain situations if
I feel stressed sometimes it helps if I just concentrate on the actual notes on the page of course I have to remember to be looking a little bit ahead because it’s dangerous to be focused only on the notes one is playing but just to focus on the page sometimes can help some people like to look at their fingers watch their valves
Vaughn told me that can you can you just affect people that aren’t familiar with this watching the theme because I don’t think they mentioned that in the in a game of music but it’s a big thing about the inner game of tennis book and you guys if you haven’t got these books you need these books III reference these books all the time
I they are really fantastic oh yeah then maybe stuff on campus watching the scene is basically when the tennis ball is coming it’s a way of focusing one’s eyes on the rotation of the ball one has to understand the spin in tennis in order to win and spin one the sooner one recognizes the spin on the ball it’s coming toward you the more the sooner you realize what this ball how this ball is gonna behave once it balances or if you take it in the air as a poly what you need to watch out for so this is like a way of really focusing so
What can we park we put that into horn horn man’s horn women’s horn people’s terms because sometimes when I the conductor is conducting and I see a solar coming up what what’s about to hit me is panic I think we all know that feeling and that’s the moment where you have to stop focus and put those thoughts somewhere else and if we don’t have a ball coming towards us although sometimes it feels like it how would you suggest putting that in two horns you think of maybe you are on the ball you’re traveling with the ball riding on the ball with horn player
I think the parallel would be to feel that one is actually the sound one becomes the sound that is traveling one has to just become aware of it and begin to it and of course you know fully aware of what’s going on but just to become part of the sound yeah that’s really great Heidi just wrote horn player sugar and a hundred million dollars for nailing the open opening of
Oberon [Laughter] totally true totally true Francis said he finds dancing really helpful what with putting emotions into anything he plays that’s absolute true I agree I’d love to dance unfortunately on stage although sometimes we move a little bit music we have some great moments don’t we Stefan you’re on some really good sort of funky moments that it doesn’t matter yeah who’s conducting we manage we have a little old boogie going on on stage and
Jay is actually for everyone watching the music course was in the railway station at Rowland’s Eck which was then an art gallery there was string players from Israel and wind players from Europe it was a fantastic experience so that’s when you played secret all-call every night nailed the top see didn’t get paid for it and don’t remember much about it [Music] thanks about if you’re watching on
Facebook it’s great to see where you’re watching from Daniel Fonseca from Argentina and ELISA so Lonnie’s from Sydney in Australia it’s late for you over there it’s Jen Robin says joint George is joined it’s great to see you all I’m getting the the good questions the really juicy questions here on my iPad on the website and and there’s this interest in horns stuff but there’s also interest in tennis stuff right now do you think
Roger Federer will Federer will win another Grand Slam asks yeah Cobb I think you will depends how soon it gets back to playing but I think it was it’s playing in the winter then he could very well win another Grand Slam tennis tennis tennis is a good socially distant sport yeah it’s really perfect um good the other thing
I really like from the inner game of well that they put it into the inner game of music was there was sort of also a physical thing it’s like you know patting your head and rubbing your tummy if you imagine another for example well I found very helpful was like in like Cosi Fan Tutte where you go and if you get really into your fingers and it gets like released if
I just imagine you know just just think of your think of another part think of the end of your elbow or something it takes then the wave and stops the tension getting into your your fingers is there’s a lot of good tips in there isn’t there yeah all the way month or two clear played them just second valve on the horn don’t worry about those fingers he could be and also his
Beethoven octet Manford clear was was my predecessor in the brother Philharmonic and he was he was such a natural incredible horn player really he was the first low horn player who I heard that didn’t really sound muddy you know what I mean but but he had a very special hand position didn’t he it was like this yes he played like that because he had really big paws and and he played like that and
I don’t know how he did it with intonation I guess he was just always in tune yeah well it works better in the low register than in the upper register of course I have a little hat here in your honor I like to decorate because stephania tyskie has really cool hats okay next time next time next time um check he wants to know do you sometimes fight against self one who is inside your mind and says you have the wrong notes when you play the horn
I think sports people musicians they all have this just not fight oneself you know just just let oneself be the best one can be and not you know the voices of of doubt and criticism and put them somewhere in the back I just be into it and with confidence and hope for the best that’s one that one gets the best results one just goes for it and
I know there are times I think when everybody is a little bit apprehensive there are situations that one maybe is apprehensive with reason like maybe the lip is not feeling good to rehearse all day and then have to play a difficult concert and I always think of frøydis in those moments because Freud is wrote this book all thoughts on playing the horn anyway well anyway you know oh no her books called well yeah but someone in our horn room no names has put oh well complain horn oh well it’s a great section when she says ok the excuses you’ve got a great t-shirt with that
I think you even wore it on one of the horn hangouts about all my all my own excuses your honor the best ones are yeah um my valve was sticking Oh Sarah are you there I’m here I can see you okay I can see all right I just just something was wrong you’re still with us yeah with us everyone you’re here you’re a definitely things like my valve was sticking
I didn’t know the transposition changed I have water in my horn I didn’t know we were repeating and I like the last one I don’t like this piece anyway those are all good excuses but the thing is no one cares about the excuses when you’re sitting on stage you have to play as well as you can anyway so yeah that’s just part of playing the horn and
I like it and it’s it’s like tennis and it’s like golf and these sports you get one chance in the concert and that that is stressful you know it is it is a tough thing to deal with isn’t it we don’t have the million dollars at the end of it when we win something we just have to find ways of it not being too stressful for us
I personally like to enjoy playing the horn so I’m willing to maybe practice a bit more at least more than I used to so other I can when I’m on stage with my fantastic colleagues that I feel that I’m you know playing my part well and that I enjoy it and you know it’s a matter of on you know nervousness everyone’s nervous one can still usually as a professional still play reasonably well most the time but it’s just less fun it’s more enjoyable when hey let’s go let’s play this piece you know that
I think that’s the goal is to someone is prepared enough nervousness comes from being not prepared and having the fear that something might be sub-optimal yeah that that’s a horrible feeling to be onstage with that feeling that’s that’s to be avoided at all costs that feeling of being known premiere great lengths to avoid that even if it means practicing
Gale Gale has said he’s got a question for you Gayle Williams it’s so we’re so honored to have you with us Gale you are such a great supporter of the Horne hangouts Thank You Stefan have you read the James Laura mental toughness in sports great tennis and music correlations that’s what I’m we’re gonna have to get you to read that yeah definitely if anyone had can find a link for that and put that up in the chat that would be really yeah
Shelley has just quoted Sarah Willis nobody is paying to hear money to hear us try it’s actually not my quote it was Maria Callas she said dear the audience doesn’t pay to hear you try to one of her students who was nervous to go on stage well you know trying implies failure that’s one of the things Timothy always said so you don’t
I want to try to play it you never say I’m gonna try I’m gonna do it I’m gonna play it and either it works or it doesn’t but if you say I’m gonna give it a try that implies failure so that’s a negative for mindset yeah a good question again from Hadley how do you you’re doing some great questions today when you get down in a tennis match it’s easy to get worse and hard to get better how do you recover from a cracked note or three in a concert it’s very similar isn’t it it’s yeah it’s okay one has to first of all realize
You know hope it’s not gonna be the last crap note that one plays and it’s it happens even you know the very players every now and then they miss a note it’s quite a shock you know if Stefan door ever misses a note well we try and stay cool but actually in fact I’m thinking you know I know it’s where you were used to such a high standard you know it’s been a tradition of the incredible solo horn players and that was one of the things that that
I really had to get used to when I first got the orchestra is like eight got to be really accurate here otherwise Garrett Seyfert would turn around give me a dirty look not want a dirty look no it was incredibly accurate and so I just so so how do you recover from a cracked note how can you use this tennis analogy you know build yourself back up
I find this the the principle horns are much better at it then say the seconds or the force because I hang on to all sorts of stuff Stefan can just if he makes a mistake it’s gone I can I can recite every mistake I’ve ever made over the last 20 years you know and that’s probably not very healthy well
I don’t think I can track of all the mistakes I made but but still you know you just got to keep well that’s one of the advantages of playing principal horn in some ways its own you have so many chances you miss something else up then you have another juicy so all over you have another chance there everyone could you can show how great you play but if you’re playing third horn and you have three notes and you screw them up and your whole evening is ruined
I don’t know that’s why you know it’s if I if I do miss something I just okay I think I can just go on Stefan you do you’re very good at most of the time but I have often heard expletives under your breath not often but occasionally and they make me give up oh for goodness sake yeah
I I know that I don’t usually sweat on stage except if I miss a No that I know everyone is heard yeah you seen you guys we’re all we’re in the Berlin Film and people think we don’t suffer from these things but we want you to know that we do you know it’s it’s it’s a common thing we all we all have the same problems we all we’re all trying to find that ideal situation and this is the point of the horn
Hangouts is to we can only tell you our experience and you know what we do and we’re so lucky to have people like Stefan on it to share this experience Stefan’s been in the Berlin Philharmonic for 42 years it’s incredible and sitting next to him is like is really sitting next to a legend and we hope we have many many more years with him but it’s so nice to be able to share all this with you because sweated the
MOE one of the worst times on stage I was the most nervous of all I had to jump in and play a concert with the help and Symphony and before the break was a Schubert symphony colleague was sick I was third horn and there was some soap notes alone in the shoe box and yeah this jeans completely by itself and everything like that and some alone notes and
I was really and I realized I was on stage and I realized because I had gotten some people in I was expecting to play in the second half that my I realized my telephone was in my pocket and it was on please please no one called me but I could not reach in my pocket to turn it off because they were like four or five bars and then
I had to play this infants just couldn’t so I waited and if you can even see this on digital concert hall you can see me oh my goodness with anything that can make noise yes that’s well you just got an email by the sound of things so yeah yeah so I think I think it’s just so it’s such a
I would love to get in a doll or roger federer or someone on the horn hangout so you know just to talk about this this mental preparation I was actually planning with Yannick Nixon as a cigar and and Nadal to do a a program I’m gonna bug him about that because I think it would be it’ll be really interesting to to do something like that speaking of
Yannick the Met opera horns have joined nice to see you guys Alec Edmondson of joy has joined third horn of the other so which is lovely and and Thomas Thomas from Sweden you have to tell me how to pronounce your last name because every time I see you I’m happy you’re here could you could cuz there then is that right no it’s not
I mean I yeah anyway do write so that I can never I never have to mention it wrong before anyway great that you’re all that you’re all there yeah how about this one amateur shipping has asked horns are just so random and even those with the best control of the horn like you guys still have to be cope with the stress of losing control wants to ride not even shoo me and
Hamilton are exempt from crashing their cars once in a while it’s just what we met which is what I said just now you know we’re all in the same boat whether you’re in the Berlin Philharmonic or in in in in school orchestra it’s just as a little bit more at stake the potential potential for humiliation is bigger my teacher mind-blowing told me said you need two things knowledge and courage and he went for it he missed some things but when he missed boy he would miss big sometimes but when it he was on he got the most amazing sound so it was like kind of
A risk and George said I wanted to take this risk and make these amazing results so I learned a lot about that from him just to go for it it’s actually it’s amazing that so little is that we mess up so little as we do you know so far so good good that we are we actually have a horn quartet rehearsal on
Wednesday and we’re so excited yeah me too we can’t wait we’ve got some exciting plans which we will share with you soon but we’re just so happy to meet and play play through some stuff I don’t know if any of you saw the brass ensemble concert on the weekend it was so much fun to play again but it was so painful because brass ensembles hard enough as it is but you know after seven weeks of lockdown oh my goodness but anyway looking forward to seeing you guys then chef and what else
I wanted to ask just again you know we were going to talk about coming back from an injury but you know what let’s do that another time because you you have you have to go quite soon to play tennis and this is such an interesting discussion I think the similarities between sport and and and and horn playing or musicianship in general i let’s just stay with this today
I think rather than hitting onto this very complex embouchure and injury and balloon definitely do that another day we’re here for a while so I’m great so um but the the playing sports just actually as a musician you were one of the best best examples of this that I know Stefan door chef Randy Suzuki is the only person in our haunt section who hasn’t had back problems you know it’s just like is it because you’ve done so much sport over the years do you think to balance out okay been doing tennis freak and
I in order the tennis you get really crooked if you don’t be careful to use this one side it’s a symmetrical so I go to the fitness studio try to make sure that I know horn playing can be it’s yeah I missed the fitness duties are close now but it really helped to keep my back you know balanced and generally do not so
I have enough strength reserves so I can be as relaxed as possible but you know I think one thing that that I do also which helps the back is I always leaned against the chair somewhat and I’ve read actually this is supposed to be pretty good instead of sitting up a completely straight it’s important that the upper back is not you know that one can expand the back to breathe but
I like to sort of sit back and be very comfortable when I when I’m playing and so this maybe this also takes some of this this needs a few more like another half an hour to discuss because what’s also really important about the horn Hangouts is that we can only tell you what’s work for us and that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the right thing for you for example
I would never let any of my students play with it backs against a chair because for me especially not having such a you know I I’m I’ve got shorter legs so if I sat back in the chair then my legs wouldn’t be on the ground it’s really important to have both legs on the ground flat on the floor and the only way
I can do that is by sitting up and not sitting back in the chair if people do sit back in the chair there’s they’re sitting back in the chair because it’s better to play and they’re sitting back in the chair because you’re lazy you know there’s there’s a difference that the Peter would also lean back but you guys are all big guys and you have you have you’re sitting on chairs and you can
I can’t if I lean the lean back on the chair I’d be like everyone has to find what works for them it just did exactly how many different ways of sitting and there are certain things that are the same with all players but Sophia in Hobart in Tozzi hello Sophia it’s very late at night for you there do you guys find that playing cardio intensive sports helps with stamina and lung capacity when playing the horn yes yes it’s the answer to that yes and if it’s just especially actually something really interesting when we had the global onboard tram bone horn hangout a few weeks ago
And Charlie Vernon who’s now in his 70s the bass trombone player of the Chicago Symphony and he was saying how how much he missed swimming because he would swim and swim he has an enormous lung capacity but he said he could feel it was not working as well in the time that the pools were closed and he said to us all he said okay you younger things make sure you’re doing your cardio now because later it gets an awful lot more difficult yeah so chef on what would you at tennis this cardio genesis cardio but kinases like is fun also it depends on how one
Plays tennis if it’s cardio sometimes if it’s a good game with long rallies it’s cardio sometimes the points are quick and it’s not so much cardio so I think as far okay one plays out two hours of singles it’s probably usually enough of a cardio workout one can find two people to play ten play a certain way of tennis you get a workout but
I think also very good for brass players are swimming running cycling and a cross trainer I have a cross trainer here in my studio here you see that the opposite of TV I hope oh you bet I mean all the TVs are long also when I’m doing my warmup usually the TV’s on I must admit everybody also would play practice in front of the
TV so I’m in good company there and I use in the Berlin Film for 42 years you’re allowed to practice with the TV on I wouldn’t recommend it for students so much they need to listen to this musical and often I just I’ve turned the sound off and I don’t even look at the TV but I just have it on just you know that
I think I want to have my time in the practice shouldn’t be fun can you just tip your head back they’re like no no sideways do that no other way and a bit further it looks like you’ve got that’s it it looks like you’ve got ears because you’re two bells that looks really cool can you see oh yeah
I got it I got it you guys got it too I love that John Harris says is a horn player who previously studied physiotherapy I believe that some sort of physical exercise is essential for all musicians for more reasons that could be listed in the shorts message here here the main thing is to find a sport that you enjoy that is true yeah
I find it I find it hard because I don’t do sports because I like it I really don’t I wish I did and everyone says find a sport you enjoy I haven’t the only thing I really like is dancing in in quarantine that was a little difficult no one you know no one would dance with me but even walking up the stairs you know
I live on the sixth floor so I made make myself do that that’s a good sport but yeah how do we find a sport that you did how did you find tennis why tennis you know I had played beforehand and then in the in my colleagues in the orchestra Longford clear said hey let’s go play tennis and so
I had my old wooden racket oh yeah show us your old wooden track racket still with the original strings oh yes oh you can imagine you with you new you little shorts and then you’re you’re white you’re way over your shoulder tie you know but Scheffel I know you have to go you’ve got a tennis match at 4 o’clock and it’s now 25 - so everybody we’re gonna have to call it a day for the horn hangouts today
I hope at 5 o’clock Andrew Bain is doing his online warm-up if any of you want to join that you have to send an email to the invested musician calm if any of you are doing that maybe you can put the put the address in the chat but pop on over there at 5 o’clock and see him and on
Friday night we are getting a load of low horn players together I’m not exactly sure yet who but I’ve written to a few and we’re gonna do the best we can to get some local players actually Stefan you could probably join because your low horn always plays like three octaves lower and you’ve got to go high you’ve got you’re gonna show us what you mean yeah and just a quick word before you go right at the very beginning someone asked about your jazz now how do you can you can you tell us again what the name of that that app is that you play jazz
- I real bro i real pro I’ve downloaded it now I love it it’s really cool fondest to play tunes and to jam a little bit with the chords and if I don’t feel like practicing I don’t want to do like scales or coke rush and I get out the iReal Pro and I play some tunes I have a can play what if you from memory now and jam oh yeah great my big jazz concert when the spring was cancelled
I was going to play together with David Friedman the world’s oh he’s amazing I what a shame get your what do you what have you got to take because it’s selfie time everybody it’s the model it’s a fee I’m gonna wear my now I’m not gonna wear the hat I don’t think it’s falling down anyway so with
Stefan that’s right Stefan is about to go and play tennis so you have a horn in one hand a tennis racket in the others I have nothing interesting to put on aware right now so I’m just gonna have to and then even not that okay right it’s going on my shoulder okay right and the horn in the other hand where is it there we go we’re all ready for your selfie okay and one two three everybody say
Stefan you’re still ski thanks Stefan you’ve been absolutely amazing I I miss you so much I miss you so much thank you for doing the horn hangout today see you on Wednesday I’ll see you on Wednesday I’m really excited for that we’d love to get you back to talk about you know about you know building up after after an injury and stuff like that yeah that’s a lot of people yeah great he’s literally off to play a tennis match
I absolutely love that see you guys either five o’clock at Andrew’s warm-up or next on Friday next Friday 9:00 p.m. Berlin time for the usual Friday night craziness did any of you see the Friday night cooking show it almost killed me but it was fantastic you lookyou I was watching it was really cool thanks for joining us everybody see you soon thank you bye bye everybody thanks for watching you
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